The Mother Wound Is Ruining Your Relationships and You Don't Even Know It
Every person carries a longing for real connection, yet the moment true intimacy arrives, an old instinct can trigger the urge to retreat. In this episode, Lorin unpacks Carl Jung's concept of the negative mother complex and how early emotional wounds continue to shape adult relationships. He identifies five specific patterns that grow out of this wound: becoming the fixer who caretakes at the expense of real connection, fearing closeness and creating distance from partners who are actually showing up, overachieving to earn love instead of receiving it freely, choosing intense but destructive chemistry, and settling for safety while avoiding true passion. Lorin walks through how to recognize each pattern as it happens and gives a specific practice for shifting it, so intimacy stops feeling like a threat and becomes the depth of love and connection listeners actually desire.
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Transcript
Deep down, you desire to be close.
Speaker A:You desire real connection and intimacy.
Speaker A:Yet when you have an experience where you feel deeply connected and deeply intimate with another, suddenly something inside you feels a strong need to run, to disappear, to come up with reasons why they are not the right partner.
Speaker A:Because the nervous system has learned that it's safer to.
Speaker A:To shut down, disappear, pull away.
Speaker A:That actually sabotages and keeps you from the love and connection intimacy that you deserve and you truly desire.
Speaker A:Welcome to the Masculine and Feminine Dynamics podcast.
Speaker A:My name is Lorin Kren, and I help people get to the core of their deepest challenges in relationships, purpose, and life.
Speaker A:Masculine and feminine dynamics are not about gender.
Speaker A:Every one of us carries these energies inside us.
Speaker A:And when these energies are wounded, they impact our relationships.
Speaker A:They impact our ability to receive abundance and to step fully into our soul's calling.
Speaker A:When we heal them, it impacts every area of our lives.
Speaker A:We create deeper relationships, more abundance, and step into our calling.
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Speaker A:Carl Jung considered the matter complex one of the most common and challenging complexes to work with because it runs so deep and it formed so early.
Speaker A:He specifically talks about the positive and the negative matter complex.
Speaker A:The positive matter complex is when a mother's love was possessive, controlling, overwhelming, overbearing.
Speaker A:The child was never fully able to step into their mature adult self.
Speaker A:The mother was too involved.
Speaker A:We can also call this enmeshment.
Speaker A:And then he talks about the negative mother complex, where a mother was emotionally absent.
Speaker A:Her expression for love and care was inconsistent.
Speaker A:There was chaos at home, or maybe she had a fragile state of mind.
Speaker A:The positive mother complex creates the devouring mother.
Speaker A:Her love is possessive, it's controlling, it's trying to hold you.
Speaker A:You feel overshadowed and you feel guilty when you try to break free from that and you sense something is wrong.
Speaker A:Now, the negative mother complex is when you've never received true love in a consistent way.
Speaker A:There are five specific patterns how this shows up in our relationships.
Speaker A:It shows up in our life as well, but it shows up in no place more clearly than in our relationships.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna go into these five steps and keep listening all the way to the end, because even if the first few might not resonate, eventually we'll get to the one that you can pinpoint in your relationship life.
Speaker A:This episode is not about talking bad about mothers.
Speaker A:Most mothers are giving their best.
Speaker A:But everyone loves at their own level of consciousness and their own level of maturity, which allows them to express love perhaps in a very limited way.
Speaker A:This is not about talking bad about the mother.
Speaker A:Instead, it's about understanding what pain might have been caused for you growing up and how this now shows up in your relationship life and how you can shift that.
Speaker A:The idea is never to just put blame, but to look at the pattern and shift it inside you.
Speaker A:Pattern number one being the fixer.
Speaker A:This is when you felt responsible as a child for your mother's emotional challenges and emotional moods.
Speaker A:Perhaps this is something she unconsciously projected onto you, or it simply was too much for her.
Speaker A:She did not have the skills to regulate her nervous system.
Speaker A:Maybe she was going through a very traumatic experience.
Speaker A:Whatever it was that not about blame, just about understanding that maybe from a young age on, you learned that your value and your way of receiving love is to caretake of other people's emotions and other people's challenges.
Speaker A:Recently, I worked with a couple and I coached them on this dynamic where she felt she was responsible for fixing her partner's mother moods.
Speaker A:When I asked her, who are you when you're not fixing their mood or trying to caretake or help them work through their emotional challenges, she started to tear up.
Speaker A:She started to realize in that moment that she didn't know who she was when she is not fixing someone or caretaking.
Speaker A:And there was also a huge relief in these tears that came because she understood finally in that moment that that is not her responsibility.
Speaker A:Relationships are an incredible burden.
Speaker A:If you are somehow there to fix the other person's emotional challenges, this is not your job.
Speaker A:Yes, you can hold space for them, you can create emotional safety for them.
Speaker A:You can listen to, understand.
Speaker A:And these things are incredibly powerful.
Speaker A:And in a great relationship, these things are expected from both partners.
Speaker A:However, it's not something you should load onto your shoulders and turn into your responsibility.
Speaker A:Because the moment you step into savior, the moment you step into fixing, there is no room for real connection and intimacy.
Speaker A:In that moment, it becomes a performance.
Speaker A:Here is where this gets really tricky.
Speaker A:On one hand, you don't want to be the person doing this.
Speaker A:On the other hand, you don't know who you are if you are not doing it.
Speaker A:So really let this land for a moment.
Speaker A:On one hand, you don't want to do this.
Speaker A:It feels like a burden.
Speaker A:It feels like too much.
Speaker A:On the other hand, you don't know yet who you are when you're not doing it.
Speaker A:There is a form of death that occurs when you actually stop doing this, there's a sense of the world is about to end, everything is going to fall apart.
Speaker A:Because inside this has been imprinted from a young age.
Speaker A:Love is going to go when I stop saving, fixing and caretaking.
Speaker A:And you have to test this for yourself, because in most cases, what you will actually realize is the moment you stop doing that, actually there is now real room for connection and intimacy.
Speaker A:And should a connection or relationship fall apart, the moment you stop caretaking, the moment you stop living from that role and that performance of sacrificing yourself somehow in order to receive love, then it means that person never loved or cared for you in a true way anyway.
Speaker A:It's not a loss, it's a gain.
Speaker A:Pattern number two, fearing closeness.
Speaker A:Remember what I said at the beginning of this episode, the negative mother complex, as Carl Jung described it, where love was inconsistent, where there was emotional or physical chaos at home, where you learned that when you get too close, you will eventually get hurt, that vulnerability would lead to pain.
Speaker A:So what happens here is that deep down you desire to be close.
Speaker A:You desire real connection and intimacy.
Speaker A:And yet when you have an experience, it doesn't necessarily always happen in the moment.
Speaker A:But when you have an experience where you feel deeply connected and deeply intimate with another, suddenly something inside you feels a strong need to run, to disappear, to come up with reasons why they are not the right partner, to find flaws in them, or to exaggerate certain character traits that you saw, blow them out of proportion, focus on imperfections and exaggerate them.
Speaker A:The reason why is because this part wants to protect you.
Speaker A:It says you can't get too close.
Speaker A:This creates a very painful experience because on one point, on one hand, you want to get close.
Speaker A:On the other, it feels completely overbearing.
Speaker A:When you experience real closeness, it feels like a threat.
Speaker A:This is extremely uncomfortable because the other person does not understand why you are so challenged.
Speaker A:Because they're doing everything right, quote, unquote.
Speaker A:It has nothing to do with them.
Speaker A:It has everything to do with your relationship, with closeness, with your relationship with true intimacy.
Speaker A:Can you allow yourself to be seen in that?
Speaker A:That is the key thing.
Speaker A:A lot of people treat this the body's desire to disappear.
Speaker A:Pull away.
Speaker A:Overbearing.
Speaker A:Treat this as a factual truth, as a verdict about the other person, as a sense of this means the person is not right.
Speaker A:Some people even have this idea, if I experience this, then it means that the relationship is not right.
Speaker A:No, there's a big difference between a gut feeling, a gut sensation, or deeply intuitive knowing and an old fear being activated.
Speaker A:And specifically when the fear of closeness gets activated, it often dresses itself up as intuition, as a knowing that something is not right.
Speaker A:I've seen this again and again with highly intelligent people, very conscious people.
Speaker A:People have done a lot of work on themselves, deep inner work, self development, you name it, spiritual work, healing work, energetic work, and yet they've got a blind spot around this.
Speaker A:Could it be that that fear of closeness is not a verdict that the other person is wrong, the wrong person, or that somehow they're not making you feel safe or good?
Speaker A:And could it be that just something inside you, it doesn't yet feel fully safe to experience love consistently.
Speaker A:And that's the key thing, consistently.
Speaker A:It might not get triggered immediately when you feel close, but when that is consistent, it can feel completely overbearing, like, whoa, that's not safe.
Speaker A:That's not safe.
Speaker A:I don't know what to do with that.
Speaker A:What do I do with that?
Speaker A:That's going to hurt me.
Speaker A:That's going to hurt me.
Speaker A:Because the nervous system has learned that it's safer to shut down, disappear, pull away, than it is to get hurt.
Speaker A:Now, of course, this makes sense if the other person is inconsistent in their expression of love and emotionally immature.
Speaker A:But when someone is consistent, then that actually sabotages and keeps you from the love and connection, intimacy that you deserve and you truly desire.
Speaker A:Pattern number three, working hard in order to be chosen.
Speaker A:It's very common that when you have experienced a mother wound that you find yourself in relationship dynamics where you're never fully chosen, maybe a little bit, but never fully.
Speaker A:There is never that feeling of this person chose, chooses all of me.
Speaker A:Again, this resembles a dynamic with your mother.
Speaker A:As a child growing up, you never felt fully loved, fully accepted, fully seen by your mother.
Speaker A:So your nervous system learned to connect that with love.
Speaker A:That feels familiar, even though that is very painful.
Speaker A:So now you see the same dynamics.
Speaker A:And recently I was coaching someone who told me that they started to enter a relationship, and for a few months everything was great, and the other person seemed committed.
Speaker A:And then their partner told them they wanted to open up the relationship.
Speaker A:And now here's the key thing.
Speaker A:Up until that point, she did everything right.
Speaker A:Because that person seemingly was committed.
Speaker A:What else could she have done?
Speaker A:But in that moment when the other person said, I want to open it up, and she noticed inside herself, she doesn't want this at all.
Speaker A:Oh, this doesn't feel safe to her.
Speaker A:She doesn't feel chosen, she actually agreed to it and then tried in that dynamic to convince the Other of moving back into a fully committed relationship.
Speaker A:Now, I'm not here to judge what relationship model works for you.
Speaker A:I am in a fully committed, monogamous marriage, rest of my life and beyond.
Speaker A:That is my truth.
Speaker A:You've most likely heard about it.
Speaker A:I speak about this, but I have no judgment about.
Speaker A:People are living as long as they're living from their truth and they feel truly fulfilled.
Speaker A:Back to the example.
Speaker A:This person agreed to opening the relationship only because it was so familiar to them that they have to work hard to be chosen.
Speaker A:So in that moment, the mother wound sneaked right back in, in a moment of trigger, in a moment of, ah, that's the familiar.
Speaker A:So this is what I need to do.
Speaker A:I need to work hard, I need to prove myself, I need to overachieve in order to be chosen.
Speaker A:So this person said to me, how can I stop attracting these people?
Speaker A:And I said to them, it's not about attracting them.
Speaker A:It's about in the moment where you realize this person cannot fully choose me.
Speaker A:That then you don't go back to the old pattern.
Speaker A:You just accept it as a fact.
Speaker A:As Maya Angelou said, when people show you who they are, believe them the first time.
Speaker A:When someone is showing you that they're not able to choose you fully as you are, believe them the first time.
Speaker A:It's not about, how can I stop attracting.
Speaker A:Because the moths are also attracted to the light.
Speaker A:Even though you expand and you hold, you heal and you grow, you can still have people in your life who might not be right in alignment.
Speaker A:But the moment, there's always that one moment where you realize this person cannot fully choose me.
Speaker A:And what you do in that moment determines whether you're still living, living from an unhealed mother wound or where you choose to heal it at the deepest level in relationships.
Speaker A:Pattern number four, choosing chaos and emotional volatility.
Speaker A:So what happens here?
Speaker A:If in your childhood there was chaos at home, your mother perhaps was not able to regulate her emotions, whatever trauma or challenges that she went through.
Speaker A:And now you find yourself drawn to that chaos, to that hot and cold, to that person who is charismatic, alive, passionate, but at the same time destructive.
Speaker A:Now, again, we'll talk about this in pattern number five.
Speaker A:Passion is beautiful.
Speaker A:A love that flows with great intensity is beautiful.
Speaker A:But here you find yourself drawn to someone who might be passionate, but is simultaneously just as, if not more destructive.
Speaker A:Now, people who are very mature, they can love with a great intensity, but they don't turn destructive.
Speaker A:Then there are other people who are yet still very immature in their Expression of love.
Speaker A:They might be charismatic, they might be passionate in a moment, but it's chaos.
Speaker A:Because the same energy of passion can also quickly turn into the energy of destruction, the energy of chaos, the energy of saying things below the belt, the energy of showing up in a way that is deeply, deeply hurtful.
Speaker A:This is where you are attracted to the ones who are charismatic, but they cannot sustain that charisma.
Speaker A:It's there for a little while, but then something gets triggered.
Speaker A:And in that moment, all this passion, all this charisma is suddenly destruction pointed towards you.
Speaker A:You get hurt.
Speaker A:It's like a fire that burns so strongly that when you get very close to that person, rather than feeling safe, feeling met, it burns you.
Speaker A:It stings, right?
Speaker A:So every time you get really close and you think, oh, wow, this is it, the passion.
Speaker A:It's so alive, boom, you get burned.
Speaker A:And that's that same experience of emotional chaos back at home that you might have experienced as a child growing up.
Speaker A:Now, this is really important to understand.
Speaker A:How can you see this?
Speaker A:It's when a person is very passionate.
Speaker A:I'm a very passionate person, but I had to learn how to harness that passion because that passion could also come out in a very destructive or in a very hurtful way.
Speaker A:So a person who is grounded, who becomes mature, right, they're able to channel this in a.
Speaker A:In a.
Speaker A:In a loving way.
Speaker A:They don't go hot and cold.
Speaker A:They don't go up and down.
Speaker A:Yes, we all go through mood swings, we all go through emotional challenges, but it's not like this.
Speaker A:There is some level of grounding, there is some level of consistency.
Speaker A:So this is very important to understand.
Speaker A:If the love feels intense and there is so much passion, enjoy it.
Speaker A:But make sure that that passion doesn't turn into extreme emotional volatility and pain.
Speaker A:If you're going through these swings, this is not safe for your nervous system.
Speaker A:It doesn't mean you need to leave, but it does mean it's not a healthy relationship dynamic.
Speaker A:Now, you can work through this, but it's very important to understand that it needs to change.
Speaker A:You need to choose, choose to no longer tolerate that dynamic either.
Speaker A:It changes, and there is a baseline of safety and grounding and consistency, and it doesn't turn very dark or very ugly quickly, or you need to remove yourself of that relationship dynamic.
Speaker A:Again, no problem.
Speaker A:Choosing love and choosing passion.
Speaker A:These people who say, choose the boring one, which leads us to pattern number five.
Speaker A:Don't choose the boring one.
Speaker A:You can have safety and you can have passion.
Speaker A:The question is, does that passion turn destructive.
Speaker A:And if yes, something has to change.
Speaker A:Which leads us to pattern number five, which is actually the polar opposite of what I just described.
Speaker A:Rather than looking for that charismatic passion and hot and cold, available for a moment and then completely unavailable and toxic, perhaps even it's you being drawn to the boring person.
Speaker A:But telling yourself that that kind of flat feeling, that's the right thing.
Speaker A:Because you're afraid to deeply feel.
Speaker A:You're afraid to feel deeply alive in a relationship.
Speaker A:This is another way of protecting yourself.
Speaker A:So here, intensity is not something you feel drawn to, but intensity is something you fear.
Speaker A:Intensity might remind you of the enmeshment with your mother.
Speaker A:You look for something that is stable, but in that, you might choose something that might sound stable and right and consistent on paper, but it doesn't light up your heart and soul.
Speaker A:So it's the polar opposite.
Speaker A:It's people who don't feel fully met and fully seen and fully in love.
Speaker A:It's people who don't have passionate lovemaking.
Speaker A:It's people who don't feel cherished and deeply alive in their relationship.
Speaker A:And they just accept that this is how it is.
Speaker A:They say that's how love is.
Speaker A:Love doesn't go that deeper.
Speaker A:And they come to conclusions that at some point it does get boring.
Speaker A:At some point, there is no spark.
Speaker A:And this is something to settle for.
Speaker A:This is something to accept.
Speaker A:This is something that is normal again.
Speaker A:This is a pattern that can come from the mother wound or the mother complex, as Carl Jung called it.
Speaker A:It's a fear of truly feeling love with great intensity because you got burned already, because as a child you wanted to feel that.
Speaker A:You felt that, probably, and then you got hurt.
Speaker A:So now you're choosing boring but safe.
Speaker A:No, you are here to have both safe and consistent and also deeply passionate and a great, beautiful intensity.
Speaker A:You can have both.
Speaker A:You don't need to settle for one or the other.
Speaker A:It's just your mind trying to control the process.
Speaker A:And you're not yet realizing that you can have both and that you deserve both.
Speaker A:Now let's get practical.
Speaker A:If you are struggling with the pattern of fixing, caretaking, and being the savior in your relationships, then your practice is to get to know the version of yourself that is not doing any of these things and is not taking responsibility for these things.
Speaker A:You literally drop it.
Speaker A:So the next time your partner or another person is emotionally challenged, you don't jump in to fix them.
Speaker A:You notice the discomfort that you are feeling in that moment because going and moving through that discomfort is meeting the True, you is meeting the version on the other side who is much more liberated, much more free, who has a wide open heart.
Speaker A:What do I mean by that?
Speaker A:When you are not immediately jumping in for caretaking, rescuing, saving and fixing, in that moment you will feel discomfort.
Speaker A:And that discomfort is what is my worth and what is my value if I don't do that?
Speaker A:What you need to do is create an experience for yourself in relationship where you realize that that your value and worth is not going to disappear when you stop caretaking and fixing other people's emotional moods.
Speaker A:So when you start doing that and you realize the other person still loves you, intimacy is still there and most likely much deeper and much more liberating now, or much more beautiful or profound.
Speaker A:That is when you create evidence for your subconscious that actually it's not that love is going, it's that it's deepening.
Speaker A:And that's when you start to drop it and drop it and drop it.
Speaker A:Pattern number two.
Speaker A:If you're struggling with fearing closeness and feeling it's too overwhelming, it's a burden in that moment because you don't yet feel safe with that level of consistency.
Speaker A:Express it to the other person.
Speaker A:Say, hey, I feel really safe and yet something inside me is telling me that I'm not worthy of this and it's really hard for me to experience.
Speaker A:And I don't want you to feel that you're doing anything wrong.
Speaker A:It's the opposite.
Speaker A:You're doing everything right again.
Speaker A:You're not putting this as a burden on them, but you're showing and revealing to them what's happening at the deepest level inside you.
Speaker A:And when you can express it and when you bring it out in the open, you take 50% of that charge and challenge away just by being witnessed in that and realizing with the right person, love is not going to disappear.
Speaker A:It's an incredibly powerful experience.
Speaker A:I've gone through it.
Speaker A:Working through this and being seen and worth witnessed in that was one of the most powerful experiences of healing I could have ever gone through.
Speaker A:But you have to give yourself permission to do it.
Speaker A:It's not something you do before or outside.
Speaker A:It's something you do in relationship in the moment where you want to pull away or your mind tells you they're not the right person because of xyz.
Speaker A:No, you say this is my fear of closeness, right?
Speaker A:And then you express it in a way without being burdening the other or making them feel responsible, but just expressing it to them because they can sense it any way.
Speaker A:And this allows people to Feel so much more connected to your experience because you're letting them into your inner world.
Speaker A:What is hidden and what is not owned governs your life.
Speaker A:What is owned and expressed out in the open and witnessed by the right person no longer owns your life.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:If you are struggling with pattern number three, where you have to prove yourself, or you have to overachieve, or you have to convince the other person for them to fully choose you, here is a simple shift for you.
Speaker A:And that is if who I am is not enough to be fully chosen, then nothing is.
Speaker A:I do will make them choose me fully.
Speaker A:Now, this is not an excuse for not working on yourself, not working on your communication in relationship, not working on repair, apologizing.
Speaker A:Yes, we need to work on ourselves.
Speaker A:This is not about some kind of excuse.
Speaker A:Well, I am the way I am.
Speaker A:No, because that would be excusing our wounding, excusing our unconscious patterns that cause pain and hurt.
Speaker A:Hurt for the other person.
Speaker A:That's not what I mean.
Speaker A:What I mean is that you show up fully.
Speaker A:But if that's not enough to be fully chosen, then that's your cue and signal to stop.
Speaker A:The moment you need to convince the other of anything is the moment you're already back into the old pattern.
Speaker A:If you need to convince someone to love you, to care for you, to show up for you, then that's already broken.
Speaker A:That's a fundament from which you simply cannot build anything sustainable, anything profound and anything meaningful with.
Speaker A:If you are not chosen as you are, see it as your permission to let go.
Speaker A:The more you do that, the more you teach your own body and nervous system and heart and soul that you no longer accept these dynamics.
Speaker A:Remember, you don't attract these people.
Speaker A:You accept certain dynamics.
Speaker A:When you no longer accept certain dynamics, you no longer are entangled in these painful relationship dynamics.
Speaker A:If you are struggling with pattern number four, which is to choose intensity, chemistry, but the other person is emotionally immature and can turn very destructive, then your practice becomes to no longer tolerate or excuse anything.
Speaker A:Which means you acknowledge, yes, there is a lot of love and passion, but this destructive behavior is not right and I will not tolerate it.
Speaker A:I respect myself enough that despite the great intensity or passion, I will say no.
Speaker A:That is when you shift this pattern.
Speaker A:Because usually the way people excuse it is because.
Speaker A:But it's so intense.
Speaker A:But at some point, at some certain times, it feels so good.
Speaker A:Again, I give you a reminder or not a reminder.
Speaker A:Maybe you've never heard about this, but it's a very powerful phrase.
Speaker A:If someone hits you only once but is nice all the other times.
Speaker A:Do you trust that person?
Speaker A:Do you feel safe with that person?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And it's the same thing here.
Speaker A:Why excuse total destruction?
Speaker A:You don't tolerate it.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter how deep the intensity or whatever it may is.
Speaker A:If they do something that's destructive and deeply painful, you stand up for yourself and you say no to that.
Speaker A:That is how you shift it.
Speaker A:And if you're struggling with pattern number five, which is to choose the boring but safe one and to kind of say, well, love, great passion, that's a kind of myth that doesn't exist anyway, it's better, it's best to settle and just accept that it's, you know, it's okay.
Speaker A:It's nothing special, right?
Speaker A:Then that's your practice, is to connect to your own heart and your own innermost desires.
Speaker A:Again, what do you really want?
Speaker A:What do you actually desire?
Speaker A:What sets your heart and soul on fire?
Speaker A:Because if you are so disconnected from that, then you'll be numb to it.
Speaker A:But if you actually start connecting with that, writing it down in a journal, speaking it out loud, then you will start to notice energy shifting and energy moving, right?
Speaker A:The only way you settle for something that is comfortable but not profound, not deep, not in a way you truly desire it to be, is if you disconnect from your innermost desires.
Speaker A:So if you actively connect to what you desire and you say you set the intention with God, with spirit, the universe, or the Great Mother Pachamama.
Speaker A:Pachamama.
Speaker A:That's what I want.
Speaker A:That's what I desire.
Speaker A:That's what I want to draw in.
Speaker A:That's what I open myself to, to.
Speaker A:Then in that moment, the energy starts to shift.
Speaker A:And in that moment you might say, actually, we need to go deeper here, or we need something more here.
Speaker A:And maybe there is something more in there.
Speaker A:You just both have to go deeper.
Speaker A:And this is the beginning of a great awakening for both of you.
Speaker A:Or it might be that you were settling for comfort and stability, but not for being truly loved in your deepest essence.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for being here and for listening to this episode.
Speaker A:It is an incredible joy to support you on your path.
Speaker A:I can't tell you how grateful, how blessed I feel, and how honored I am to support you in your journey, wherever you are and whatever you are going through in this very moment.
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